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	<description>The Library Status Quo Must Go!</description>
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		<title>By: The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPLIN 4cast #58</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPLIN 4cast #58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dewey&#8230; or Don&#8217;t We? &#38; Dewey Redux (Library Revolution) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dewey&#8230; or Don&#8217;t We? &amp; Dewey Redux (Library Revolution) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Article reading list from Debra &#171; Library Reading Room</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Article reading list from Debra &#171; Library Reading Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dewey Decimal System - obsolete? http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529nodewey0530.html# http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/ A couple of new search engines mentioned by Steven Cohen http://www.zuula.com/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dewey Decimal System - obsolete? <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529nodewey0530.html#" rel="nofollow">http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529nodewey0530.html#</a> <a href="http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/" rel="nofollow">http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/</a> A couple of new search engines mentioned by Steven Cohen <a href="http://www.zuula.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zuula.com/</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: KungfuLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>KungfuLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, some good points here.  But, I hear a great deal about what the library ISN'T.  If we can sidestep the LIS via negativa, what IS a library?  Isn't it somewhat amorphous, conforming to the shapes of its user needs?  If users need a bookstore, is that what a library should become?  Can we define, in concrete terms, what a library *is* -- how does it differ from Barnes &#38; Noble?  I'm not intending to be sarcastic here, nor ignorant, but this issue seems somewhat perspectival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, some good points here.  But, I hear a great deal about what the library ISN&#8217;T.  If we can sidestep the LIS via negativa, what IS a library?  Isn&#8217;t it somewhat amorphous, conforming to the shapes of its user needs?  If users need a bookstore, is that what a library should become?  Can we define, in concrete terms, what a library *is* &#8212; how does it differ from Barnes &amp; Noble?  I&#8217;m not intending to be sarcastic here, nor ignorant, but this issue seems somewhat perspectival.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Spiegel</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story is just another example of librarians eating their young, so to speak. By moving to the bookstore model, libraries just feed the belief that they serve no other purpose than to become a publicly-funded Barnes &#38; Noble.

This comes from geniuses who see the poor signage at their libraries as an indication that they need to reinvent classification.  Would it be so hard to put subject headings next to every numeric Dewey reference to help the poor patron?
 
This is similar to the Maricopa County library reference conundrum.  The district uses 'customer service' desks, staffed by a mixture of librarians (with their master's degrees), para-professionals and library assistants.  They handle everything from circulation transactions to collecting fines to explaining how the library computers work to fixing the copy machine to answering reference questions.

From the public side of the 'customer service' desk, these folks are all the same.  The person who took your 10 cent fine is now telling the another patron how to find an atlas containing a map of Iraq.  Is it any surprise that the next person in line cannot tell the difference between a circulation clerk and a skilled reference professional?

Kind of makes you queasy, right in the MLS.

No surprise, then, that people figure that everyone who works at the desk is a librarian. All of which serves to reduce appreciation for what good librarians can bring to their patrons.

Gilbert's decision sounds a lot like the teaching profession's decision to use the so-called New Math in the 1960s.   That didn't turn out too well for anyone.  I'm concerned that this story will end up the same way, with patrons more confused about their library, its staff and its purpose.

What a shame to upend the whole library because you're not willing to purchase appropriate signs without blaming it on the Dewey Decimal System.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story is just another example of librarians eating their young, so to speak. By moving to the bookstore model, libraries just feed the belief that they serve no other purpose than to become a publicly-funded Barnes &amp; Noble.</p>
<p>This comes from geniuses who see the poor signage at their libraries as an indication that they need to reinvent classification.  Would it be so hard to put subject headings next to every numeric Dewey reference to help the poor patron?</p>
<p>This is similar to the Maricopa County library reference conundrum.  The district uses &#8216;customer service&#8217; desks, staffed by a mixture of librarians (with their master&#8217;s degrees), para-professionals and library assistants.  They handle everything from circulation transactions to collecting fines to explaining how the library computers work to fixing the copy machine to answering reference questions.</p>
<p>From the public side of the &#8216;customer service&#8217; desk, these folks are all the same.  The person who took your 10 cent fine is now telling the another patron how to find an atlas containing a map of Iraq.  Is it any surprise that the next person in line cannot tell the difference between a circulation clerk and a skilled reference professional?</p>
<p>Kind of makes you queasy, right in the MLS.</p>
<p>No surprise, then, that people figure that everyone who works at the desk is a librarian. All of which serves to reduce appreciation for what good librarians can bring to their patrons.</p>
<p>Gilbert&#8217;s decision sounds a lot like the teaching profession&#8217;s decision to use the so-called New Math in the 1960s.   That didn&#8217;t turn out too well for anyone.  I&#8217;m concerned that this story will end up the same way, with patrons more confused about their library, its staff and its purpose.</p>
<p>What a shame to upend the whole library because you&#8217;re not willing to purchase appropriate signs without blaming it on the Dewey Decimal System.</p>
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		<title>By: Une bibliothèque organisée comme une librairie &#171; Dominique, bibl. prof.</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Une bibliothèque organisée comme une librairie &#171; Dominique, bibl. prof.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be first to drop Dewey Decimal et les commentaires de biblioblogueurs américains sur le sujet (library revolution, librarian in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to be first to drop Dewey Decimal et les commentaires de biblioblogueurs américains sur le sujet (library revolution, librarian in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: josie whysall</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>josie whysall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When in a public library in MI it was easy to direct patrons "go to the statue of ??? etc turn right etc and the books are in that section they have the numbers 123 etc on the spine"
Now I'm a school librarian and teaching Dewey. Though as most college libraries use LC why do I use Dewey? I do give the senior classes lessons in LC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When in a public library in MI it was easy to direct patrons &#8220;go to the statue of ??? etc turn right etc and the books are in that section they have the numbers 123 etc on the spine&#8221;<br />
Now I&#8217;m a school librarian and teaching Dewey. Though as most college libraries use LC why do I use Dewey? I do give the senior classes lessons in LC.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirjastojen tulevaisuutta myös Suomessa? &#171; eAineistot oppimisen resurssi</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirjastojen tulevaisuutta myös Suomessa? &#171; eAineistot oppimisen resurssi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No, ei nyt ilmeisesti ihan kokonaan, vaan ainoastaan hyllyjärjestyksen yhteydessä. Minusta ajatus on todella hykerryttävä ja kuvaa aitoa asiakaslähtöisyyttä. Kirjastolaiset ovat reagoineet ajatukseen voimakkaasti - kannattaa vilkaista uutisen alaosassa olevaa keskusteluosuutta. Vilkaise myös Emily Clasperin kommentti asiaan. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] No, ei nyt ilmeisesti ihan kokonaan, vaan ainoastaan hyllyjärjestyksen yhteydessä. Minusta ajatus on todella hykerryttävä ja kuvaa aitoa asiakaslähtöisyyttä. Kirjastolaiset ovat reagoineet ajatukseen voimakkaasti - kannattaa vilkaista uutisen alaosassa olevaa keskusteluosuutta. Vilkaise myös Emily Clasperin kommentti asiaan. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: LibraryNation (Kathleen)</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>LibraryNation (Kathleen)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of categorizing using the words that the Dewey numbers represent.  I also like the idea of categorizing fiction by genre instead of by author which is pretty useless if you don't have a particular author in mind, but would like something similar to another author you enjoyed.  I love this capability in the nonfic section and would like to use it for the fiction as well.   

Just to play devil's advocate though, here's a couple of wrenches:
- If we group fiction by genre, where do we put fiction that crosses genre-lines? Like Romance Sci-Fi novels?
- How far can we trust the categories provided by the publisher? Should we trust them at all? Do we continue to classify things based on Dewey and then just use the words instead of the numbers?
- Will we have to continue using spine labels just to have the location easily accessible (in other words, there won't be a time/money saving attribute since we'll still use labels)
- If we cease with the spine labels, will this slow shelvers down because there's no standardized spine layout/font?
- How deep do we go into the classification? Main Subject - Sub-subject - Author? Sub-sub-subject (now I sound like an EAD markup)

Of course, the answer to all of these may be "Do it the way the bookstore does" ... plus we have the added benefit of having a readily accessible OPAC for searching if a title doesn't show up in the category a patron expects. I never had any luck with that in bookstores, but it works well in libraries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of categorizing using the words that the Dewey numbers represent.  I also like the idea of categorizing fiction by genre instead of by author which is pretty useless if you don&#8217;t have a particular author in mind, but would like something similar to another author you enjoyed.  I love this capability in the nonfic section and would like to use it for the fiction as well.   </p>
<p>Just to play devil&#8217;s advocate though, here&#8217;s a couple of wrenches:<br />
- If we group fiction by genre, where do we put fiction that crosses genre-lines? Like Romance Sci-Fi novels?<br />
- How far can we trust the categories provided by the publisher? Should we trust them at all? Do we continue to classify things based on Dewey and then just use the words instead of the numbers?<br />
- Will we have to continue using spine labels just to have the location easily accessible (in other words, there won&#8217;t be a time/money saving attribute since we&#8217;ll still use labels)<br />
- If we cease with the spine labels, will this slow shelvers down because there&#8217;s no standardized spine layout/font?<br />
- How deep do we go into the classification? Main Subject - Sub-subject - Author? Sub-sub-subject (now I sound like an EAD markup)</p>
<p>Of course, the answer to all of these may be &#8220;Do it the way the bookstore does&#8221; &#8230; plus we have the added benefit of having a readily accessible OPAC for searching if a title doesn&#8217;t show up in the category a patron expects. I never had any luck with that in bookstores, but it works well in libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Library Revolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dewey Redux</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Library Revolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dewey Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] got a lot of really great, thoughtful comments on yesterday’s post about Gilbert Library’s decision not to use Dewey classification in their new building. Such [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] got a lot of really great, thoughtful comments on yesterday’s post about Gilbert Library’s decision not to use Dewey classification in their new building. Such [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Harker</title>
		<link>http://libraryrevolution.com/2007/05/30/dewey-or-dont-we/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Harker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 21:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, first off, that's a lot of assumptions.  But really, the DDC does not need to be memorized to be utilized.  And truly, using numbers to represent words is, shall we say, cryptic.  However, if the last assumption holds true, how deep will they go in the categorization?  Then, how will that be indicated on the book itself?  Even going only down to the hundred's level (712, 713, etc.) can result in some long topics: Landscape architecture of trafficways.  Even shortening to "Landscape Architecture" is too long to fit on a spine label.  

But overall, I believe that such librarians are abandoning their mission of organizing information to make it more accessible.  However, I could be suaded by research that demonstrates improvements in findability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first off, that&#8217;s a lot of assumptions.  But really, the DDC does not need to be memorized to be utilized.  And truly, using numbers to represent words is, shall we say, cryptic.  However, if the last assumption holds true, how deep will they go in the categorization?  Then, how will that be indicated on the book itself?  Even going only down to the hundred&#8217;s level (712, 713, etc.) can result in some long topics: Landscape architecture of trafficways.  Even shortening to &#8220;Landscape Architecture&#8221; is too long to fit on a spine label.  </p>
<p>But overall, I believe that such librarians are abandoning their mission of organizing information to make it more accessible.  However, I could be suaded by research that demonstrates improvements in findability.</p>
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